Comments on: Human CEP: the gut feeling? http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/ Complex Event Processing (CEP) Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: vincent http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-474 vincent Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:52:28 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/#comment-474 Hi David: I'm pretty sure "gut feeling" is something different from CEP too... however, maybe "gut feeling" relates to compiled knowledge or implicit reasoning, based on prior events and knowledge assimilation. The later is, I think, the connection to CEP... as well as the idea of expert systems. Cheers Hi David: I’m pretty sure “gut feeling” is something different from CEP too… however, maybe “gut feeling” relates to compiled knowledge or implicit reasoning, based on prior events and knowledge assimilation. The later is, I think, the connection to CEP… as well as the idea of expert systems.

Cheers

]]> By: David Luckham http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-472 David Luckham Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:07:12 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/#comment-472 Paul, nice discovery! However, it has relatively little to do with CEP. It is much more about the functioning of the subconscious mind in making decisions about the event input, and mainly in real time decision making. I suppose you could view this as the abstraction function in CEP, where you are making an abstract event leading to an action from the input using the subconscious mind. But the main lesson of this book seems to be "if you want to make the best decision in a tight real time situation, practice!" Sully Sullenberger had 20,000 hrs of flight time, and thought a lot about safety issues. Paul, nice discovery! However, it has relatively little to do with CEP. It is much more about the functioning of the subconscious mind in making decisions about the event input, and mainly in real time decision making.
I suppose you could view this as the abstraction function in CEP, where you are making an abstract event leading to an action from the input using the subconscious mind.
But the main lesson of this book seems to be “if you want to make the best decision in a tight real time situation, practice!”
Sully Sullenberger had 20,000 hrs of flight time, and thought a lot about safety issues.

]]> By: Complex Event Processing (CEP) Blog » Situation Awareness in CEP… http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-459 Complex Event Processing (CEP) Blog » Situation Awareness in CEP… Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:16:09 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/#comment-459 [...] Bass recently challenged [*1] the assertion that Complex Event Processing provides “situation awareness&#822... and quoted a Wikipedia article covering this topic from the usual human element. The article [...] [...] Bass recently challenged [*1] the assertion that Complex Event Processing provides “situation awareness&#822… and quoted a Wikipedia article covering this topic from the usual human element. The article [...]

]]> By: vincent http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-446 vincent Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:11:20 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/#comment-446 Hi Tim: <i>The “Event Driven CEP Systems”, as you call them, do not provide much situational awareness.</i> So you concede they provide <i>some</i> situational awareness? What software tools do you think provide <i>more</i> situational awareness than Complex Event Processing tools? BI reporting tools? Databases? On BusinessEvents not doing "reasoning"... there is general agreement (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inference) that inference tools do reasoning, and BE includes an inference engine. Ergo, BE is a kind of reasoning tool. Interestingly, orchestration is only implicit in rule- and state-driven reasoning, and scheduling is something else entirely. [Note: the trackback comment points to a blog post by Tim that includes the misquote <i>[A] firefighter avoiding death by analyzing his situation …. is provided by event-driven CEP systems.</i>. In case it is unclear to any other readers, the 2nd paragraph in my blog entry refers to the title: i.e. <i>Gut-feeling....This is similar to why “situational awareness”, as provided by event-driven CEP sytems, is very useful in automated business decisions too…</i>. But thankyou for the Wikipedia link in your post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situational_awareness includes Endsley's model of situation awareness that is almost an ideal reference for CEP...] Cheers! Hi Tim:
The “Event Driven CEP Systems”, as you call them, do not provide much situational awareness.
So you concede they provide some situational awareness?
What software tools do you think provide more situational awareness than Complex Event Processing tools? BI reporting tools? Databases?

On BusinessEvents not doing “reasoning”… there is general agreement (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inference) that inference tools do reasoning, and BE includes an inference engine. Ergo, BE is a kind of reasoning tool. Interestingly, orchestration is only implicit in rule- and state-driven reasoning, and scheduling is something else entirely.

[Note: the trackback comment points to a blog post by Tim that includes the misquote
[A] firefighter avoiding death by analyzing his situation …. is provided by event-driven CEP systems..
In case it is unclear to any other readers, the 2nd paragraph in my blog entry refers to the title: i.e.
Gut-feeling….This is similar to why “situational awareness”, as provided by event-driven CEP sytems, is very useful in automated business decisions too….

But thankyou for the Wikipedia link in your post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situational_awareness includes Endsley’s model of situation awareness that is almost an ideal reference for CEP…]

Cheers!

]]> By: CEP Software Saves the Universe! | Cyberstrategics Complex Event Processing Blog http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-443 CEP Software Saves the Universe! | Cyberstrategics Complex Event Processing Blog Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:36:21 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/#comment-443 [...] that cannot be accomplished by any of the “CEP” software on the market today.   In his post, Human CEP: the gut feeling?, Paul Vincent of TIBCO says, [A] firefighter avoiding death by analyzing his situation …. is [...] [...] that cannot be accomplished by any of the “CEP” software on the market today.   In his post, Human CEP: the gut feeling?, Paul Vincent of TIBCO says, [A] firefighter avoiding death by analyzing his situation …. is [...]

]]> By: Tim Bass http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-442 Tim Bass Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:09:40 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/02/24/human-cep-the-gut-feeling/#comment-442 Hi Paul, The "Event Driven CEP Systems", as you call them, do not provide much situational awareness. Situational awareness is a complex concept that cannot be accomplished by any of the "CEP" software on the market today. BusinessEvents is not a reasoning tool, it is more suited for orchestration and scheduling, not reasoning. Yours sincerely, Tim Hi Paul,

The “Event Driven CEP Systems”, as you call them, do not provide much situational awareness.

Situational awareness is a complex concept that cannot be accomplished by any of the “CEP” software on the market today.

BusinessEvents is not a reasoning tool, it is more suited for orchestration and scheduling, not reasoning.

Yours sincerely, Tim

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